some good points there jaf.

im also very worried about the end story ( i mean no matter what im gona love it) but im a little worried they might not explain it very well

i think that not pushing the button made it so you could find the island.  i think ben was playing some reverse psychology games.  i think he knew that if the button wasnt pushed than people would be able to find it based on the electromagnetic thing.


i really hope they have a good way to explain everything as well.  i dont want some lame half-baked explanation

Yeah if they all experienced the "time warp" including Widmore, he may have known Desmond  would be there or what he would do. Especially if Frarady mentioned it IF he goes in the past to Pierre Chang. Widmore was born then and could have possibly been on the island.  And Thank You. I clean up okay. I don't look like that in real life. Only apftera cuple hours of primping;)You should she my sister and she's had 3 kids! oh and Desmond IS Frarday's constant. He would mention him.

Great follow up responses everyone.

When I was speaking of widmore having spys. I was not thinking about the boaties, they were hired by widmore. I meant people already on the island. For instance It seems a lil uncanny how close the ties are between widmore and desmond and through circumstances he winds up on the island. Widmore supposedly can not locate the island until this "incident" at the swan station occurs. Desmond his almost son-in-law, enters a race sponsored by widmore and winds up crashing his sailboat on the very island that has been eluding widmore. I mean what are the odds? Now throw in time travel. desmond goes back in time and meets faraday. After this meeting perhaps Faraday and widmore are somehow introduced. Now through faraday widmore learns about desmonds time line. So now if he is devious and ingenious enough its possible that he could plant things in Desmonds head without Desmond knowing it. I will use that brainwashing room as another refrence to back up the use of planting subliminal messages in peoples head. The writers have hinted at that elemant being involved in this show. So in essence Desmond may be unwittingly a pawn in widmores assault upon ben and the island.


Also there have been threads suggesting that widmore may have once had bens postion of leadership on the island. If that is true it would stand to reason rthat he not only knows who the others are but he has also developed intimate relationships with them. If that is true then it is reasonable for us to suspect that some of the people on the island prefered widmore's leadership over bens and are secretly working with widmore to stage a sort a coop against ben. A prime suspect could be richard. Richard may be pretending like he is against widmore to protect his integrity with the group but is really wporking to undermine ben for some reason unknown to us at the present moment.

Think about what we have learned in the season 4 finale.

The oceanic 6, ben, and locke have all been removed from the island and the island has been relocated to a new mystery location that they are unable to find. Can this be an indication that richard has purged the island of unwanted members?
Remember also locked failed richards test when he was a young boy picking items, but he got most the choices correct. Maybe locke was partially usefull to richards plans but did not completly fit his plan so he got used for his worth and then removed from the island as well.

Just some food for thought for you guys to chew on.

and yes nan your a very pretty girl with a beatiful smile.

Yeah I was on little bit of a brain storming role when I was writing that one up. Im content to wait n see where the writers take uds next. Im sorry to say I am not as impressed with the show like I was in the first two seasons. I really felt like were onto something big in how they were developing the story and with all the cross over stuff like the web sites and bill boards. I dont know if its due to the writers strike or what but my intrests have really cooled off on this show. I really thought it was going to be the next star trek. Instead of trekkies they would be called losties.......lol. This show has great potential and I hope they fix what is broken. sorry I guess i drifted a lil off topic there.

Another aspect of the plot that I cant seem to find ant neat n clean explination for is:

We are lead to believe that there is some kind of hidden puppet master with a grand plan pulling all the strings. This pupett master is portrayed to be somewhat omnipitant and is referred to as "the island". Well if this is true and the island wont let people die before they have fullfilled the islands tasks and it brought the plane to the island. Let me restart this line of thought.

We are lead to believe the island choose which passengers would be on the oceanic flight so it could bring them to the island. Not everyone on the flight were choosen but a certain group of them were. This implies to me that everyone who survived the crash had a specific purpose to accomplish by the islands standards. Reflecting back on the some of the surviors who are no longer surviors. The question Im long windly leading up to is; What tasks did they accomplish before the island allowed them to become deceased? I will use the two jewel thieves because I think it is the most blatantly controdicting to the idea that all the surviors have a purpose. What was thier function in terms of use to the island? They seem to of been noninfluental to the events occuring on the island. They got buried alive and we have never heard or seen them again. Why did the island bother to allow them to survive at all if they were just destined to die. I hope Im explaining it clearly ifnot I will try to expand on it better later if asked. Im getting tunged tied in my brain so Im gonna stop here with this.

Wow! Thank you for that very nice compliment.

Yes you got it exactly right and you somehow managed to condense it into two sentences without losing anything.Kudos to you for cleaning upmy long winded explination. Now that we got that out of the way lets see if we can expand upon the original thought any.............


I think several conculsions could be possibly drawn from this.

1. The people whom we believe not to have a purpose, do, but they're purpose is still unkown to us.

2. The island did not intend for some of  the losties to survive the crash that did

3. The island has the ability to prevent people from dieing but it isnt capable of stopping people from surviving.