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Re: My Theory For The Time Travel And Ben's Cunning Plan
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Quote from: kate austin on July 30, 2008, 03:11:49 PM
Quote from: abbadons soul on July 30, 2008, 10:17:47 AM
which is very confusing, cause that is saying at that very time his body exists twice,
this exactly what i dont understand !!
Okay, ima try just follow with me.....the doctor was killed on the boat, and washed ashore a day before he was killed....soooo technically his body was on the freightor alive, and on the beach dead at one point and time at the sametime....basically its a time loop....the doctor was dead on the island before he was actually killed on the freightor. Once the doctor is killed on the frieghtor, his body floats to the island (through the time barrier) and it sent back one day before the doctor is killed.....so on that day he washed ashore, his body is actually in two places but same time frame....his alive counterpart has not reached the time of his dead counterpart...even though the dead body is a day in the past......i hope that helps....
Quote from: abbadons soul on July 30, 2008, 10:17:47 AM
wow did i just unlock the mystery of how Locke might be in the coffin?
explain that plzzz :S
I just think the Locke in the coffin might end up being to the same affect as the doctor....its just a theory i have....that we might see Locke in the coffin and alive on the island at the sametime........its back to the same time loop theory, very very confusing i know
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Its all getting too complicated for my ickle brain! I need to watch that episode again... and again and again.
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hmmm think of it this way....the doc that washed ashore was 1 day older in age....so lets change that one day in age to a year.....
Technical stuff coming beware lol.....say the doctor is 40 on the freighter in 2006....gets killed....floats towards the island for 1 year through the barrier but the time distortion sends him back to 2005....so now the doctor is dead but is 41(the time the body traveled) in 2005....now say the freighter is there in 2005....the doctor is alive on the freighter age 40 and dead on the island in the same timeframe 2005 dead at 41......now just change a year back and just make it a day and the equation works.....
man i dont know why i just wrote that.....i think i just made things worse lol
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July 30, 2008, 07:32:12 PM »
Huh?
Good theory and all but I think it would be a little too much to explain to everyone. This is primetime TV. You and I might understand what you just wrote (kinda) but does the average viewer?
"John Locke is dead?"
"No, he's in the future and the past at the same time. He's just alive in another year"
"Oh, O.K"
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Quote from: Lostnthought on July 30, 2008, 07:32:12 PM
Huh?
Good theory and all but I think it would be a little too much to explain to everyone. This is primetime TV. You and I might understand what you just wrote (kinda) but does the average viewer?
"John Locke is dead?"
"No, he's in the future and the past at the same time. He's just alive in another year"
"Oh, O.K"
Yea there really is no good way to explain things......thats what unfortunately happened when they brought in the time travel parts......specially since its in two parts now, actual time travel like Ben being jumped ahead to 2006, and just the consciousness traveling like Desmond in the Constant.
For the casual tv veiwer you broke it down simply there is a past doctor and a future doctor at one point at the sametime....but of course they never cross paths because the past is trying to catch up to the future, which in turns becomes the past again.....theres your whole time loop
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i kindof get what your saying too. i think i may have a simpler way to say it. well simpler in my head anyways! lol
if i can explain it cause i tend to be bad at that....ok lets see....
ok im going to say that for the doctor he was dead on the island 12 hours before he was dead on the freighter. the way i look at is is, is on the freighter he died at 8:00 PM, say Jan 6th. fell into the water and started floating towards the island. when he reached the "barrier" his body was moved 12 hours into the future. so the island group found him at 8AM, Jan 6th.
i think the problem alot of people have, including me. is that we think of the times as "time traveled times" when really its the "same time" the times just dont match.
haha yeah see i dont know if that helped anyone but me =|
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actually you simplified it even more lol, why didnt i just say it that way lol?
Your right, the Doctor was killed at 8 PM on a Saturday(to say), went thru the barrier, but actually traveled BACK into the past 12 hours to 8 AM on that same Saturday.....so technically he was alive and dead at 8 AM on Saturday, but just in two different locations.....
soooo you have an alive doctor on the frieghter at 8 AM, and a dead doctor on the beach at 8 AM, on the same day......but the alive doctor wont get killed til 12 hours later at 8 PM, thus completing the time loop
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I'm not really sure I want to join in this conversation but I'm going to anyway. First off in regards to the time difference between the doctor falling off of the boat and washing up on shore. Lets say the doctor had a stop watch strapped on him and it was started the exact moment he hit the water and then stopped the exact moment he hit the island shore line. The stop watch has recorded a total of ten minutes. Now It's 9pm on the boat when the doctor falls into the water but its 10:30pm when he washes up on the island. What some of you seem to be inducing from this is that there is an hour and a half time lag between the island and the rest of the world, but what I think it indicates is the island is moving at a different speed through time. In other words the phenomena that may be occurring is that for every one minute of time that passes in the real world, ten minutes has passed on the island. In this example I 10:1 ratio to make the math easy to illustrate.
Next I'm going to further complicate this explanation in attempts to make it more understandable. Each time the island is moved the base line of both timelines might be reset. Lets say The last time the island was moved ten minutes before the doctor fell. When the doctor falls into the water the island is already an hour and a half of his time and now it takes him ten minutes to float ashore but another hour and half has elapsed on the island, so now instead of it being 9:10 when he washes up its more like 12 am or 3 hours later.
I hope I'm explaining this in a coherent fashion. In the movies they use slow motion effects when something dramatic happens as a way to symbolize the phenomena of the sensation of time slowing. Well in real life there have been experiments done to see if that really happens and it does. What happens is our brains actually get stimulated by adrenaline and process information faster giving us the perception that time is slowed. Time obviously has not slowed but because we are conditioned to processing information at a certain speed and we are doing it much faster our internal clocks fall out of sync and we think it's moving slower.
On the island the difference is that it is actually moving at a different speed. The electromagnetic station they were may of been the time throttle station that were allowing them to make the station move faster or slower and now it may be stuck at one constant time rate. The numbers that were being entered may of been the islands constant like Desmond is for Faraday.
Anyhow sorry if I got too far out there on you guys but I wanted to throw it out there for some of you to bat it around and tear it apart err........ I mean have fun with LOL
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just_a_fan, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that theory at all, infact that could be happening around the island too....
The problem with the doctor situation, that is boggling everybody is that...okay here we go again lol....
We start an episode of the doctor washing ashore with his throat slashed, in broad daylight...Jack cant figure out who it is, and i dont remember if Daniel told him it was the boats doctor or not....flash forward to the last episode, which i believe was the next day, or night time of that same day, we see the doctor alive on the boat....Daniel calls the frieghter, mentions about the doctor washing up ashore dead...but we see the doctor still alive, and actually see him get killed and thrown in the water.....
so to simplify it.... in episode 11(just for example) we see the doctor's dead body wash up, but move forward to episode 13, the doctor is still alive, all in present time....the doctors dead body traveled back in time I want to say atleast 1 day or maybe 12 or so hours....I hope that helps more
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Wow very interesting just_a_fan! I like the idea of the island not being in front or behind by a definitive amount of time but the island time moving at a dfferent pace from everywhere else.
Would that maybe explain why Richard hasn't aged? Maybe at one point the time on the island moved very slowly so he didn't age?
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yeah JAF thats a fine theory. im still leaning more towards that whenever the island gets moved, however they do THAT!, it moves it further ahead or behind. so the last time the island was moved the island ended up 12 hours behind the rest of the worlds time. so the time on the island may or may not go further ahead or go back some when they moved it again.
oh and im glad what i said ^^ in my other post, simplified it a bit
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Actually Charlie and JAF both your theories sound correct to me.....
I know one thing, that island is encased in some sort of time bubble...probably caused by the energy beneath the island, making it near impossible to find it without the correct heading....so its possible the island does not exist in "real time" as we perceive it
You have 3 instances we know of, that the island might of appeared in real time....
1. When Desmond got back to the hatch too late to input the numbers causing 815 to crash in the first place....the release of the antimatter/magnetic energy cause the island to shift back into real time...but possibly only for sometime
2. The hatch implosion, which again released that energy...and then the signal of that energy is found by the station out in the ice lands...which might of led to the freightor finding the island...breaking it down, sort of like how Sayid said a satellite has to know where to look....well maybe that was the window for a satellite to get the general location of where the island is?
3. In the last episode when the island is actually "moved"...well this is harder to explain for certain reason, i have my theory that it is moved ahead to 2006, either around the time Ben shows up in the desert or later on.....its why the O6 dont see it there, its been removed from that location/time for who knows how long...which ill stop there cause thats even a harder thory/equation/discussion itself
What im saying is, its quite possible, the island moves into different hours/years, but also may slow "real world" time in itself....i dont think you can visibly see the island in the "real time/world", i have no proof to that, but i dont remember when the freighter was moved closer to the island that you could see the island from the boat....but you could see the boat atleast in a couple frames from the island....sort of like the island has police windows or something lol
Oh god, i must be bored at work, and i think im making this topic worse
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you arnt making it more complicated! at least not more than anyone else
yeah i would add more but my head hurts too much right now! so ill reread it all later and see what else i can come up with
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When the doctor turns up on the island with his throat slit, Daniel messages the ship that the doctor turned up dead. so in a different situation, what if the doctor hears about how he got found on the island and then hid from the rest of the crew and remained alive? so that they find him dead on the island but he somehow changes the future by not getting killed by keamy? so even though he's already been found dead, technically he's still alive so if he didn't get killed by keamy but he was still found dead, then what would happen? does that make any sense?
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Quote from: donkeykong9 on July 31, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
When the doctor turns up on the island with his throat slit, Daniel messages the ship that the doctor turned up dead. so in a different situation, what if the doctor hears about how he got found on the island and then hid from the rest of the crew and remained alive? so that they find him dead on the island but he somehow changes the future by not getting killed by keamy? so even though he's already been found dead, technically he's still alive so if he didn't get killed by keamy but he was still found dead, then what would happen? does that make any sense?
No that makes complete sense....that is what a paradox would be....if the doctor had time to hear about his death and get away from keamy, then technically he'd never wash ashore dead.....problem is his dead body was already there the day before...how do you answer that? Do I even want to go into that? lol
Basically you would have another parallel timeline where you had the doctor originally killed then washed ashore the day before....
Now if the doctor somehow changed this, that timeline would keep going, while the timeline with the dead body would still exist from its origin, running parallel to each other, as the dead doctor never got the warning of his death....
Think of a river, that flows straight, but then at a certain point you put a divider in it, the river becomes two....same river two different paths....now imagine at some point those two rivers collide witheach other again full speed, you get a bad effect lol
Sort of like how if time travel is real, and you went back to the past and saw yourself, it would cause alot of problems
Problem is according to Lost mythology, specifically revolving around Desmond, you cant change the inevitable, like how he kept trying to save Charlie, only for him to be in another position of death
Save a man from falling debri, he gets hit by a taxi the next day, save him from that, he drowns in a pool the next day, its a higher power course correcting everything....
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