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deadarm
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interesting thoughts, AS. i like them.
i think there really is a lot more to the swan than we know at present time. you very well may be on to something here!
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Quote from: deadarm on September 12, 2008, 02:34:05 PM
interesting thoughts, AS. i like them.
i think there really is a lot more to the swan than we know at present time. you very well may be on to something here!
well i have a hunch, that we might be seeing the swan again, or quite possibly its creation....just a theory, but what if when Ben moved the island, it traveled back to Dharmas time and when the incident first occured???
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Quote from: abbadons soul on September 11, 2008, 01:43:34 PM
After rewatching the end of S2 last night, I have come up with a lil theory of about the Swan and pushing the button.
I wanna say that the island, before Dharma, was always shifting through time...that the electromagnetic energy of the island would grow to large and force the island into traveling into the past( easily explains the Black Rock) or to the future(possibly explain the 4 Toed Statue?). The island has been constantly doing that for who knows how long.
Now enter Dharma, they find the island and all its vast properties...probably building the Orchid first. I think the Incident that Candle referred to in the films, was the first time Dharma experienced the Island moving...possibly to the future? The Incident is what caused the Swan to be built, and the button needing to be pushed every 108 mins. As it was the only way to keep the island from time traveling (now I know it kinda throws off the fact that the Orchid is what actually moved the island).
Think of the island constantly being unstuck from time, as it doesnt exist in real time due to the electromagnetism. And the only possible window of leaving it was the bearing we all know.
So how did 815 end up crashing on it? Well since Des didnt make it back to the Swan in time, he wasnt able to discharge the energy, it started building up, causing the island to revert back into real time...that energy caused maybe an emp to be released knocking 815 out of the sky...but then the numbers were finally imputted and the island reverted back to its state of being unstuck from natural time. This can help explain why Des wasnt able to leave the island with his boat...he didnt have the bearing to head, and the island actually didnt exist in the real world for him to travel to...basically the snow globe theory, cause it was, the island was in a bubble that was existing outside of time.
Enter S2's end, and John destroying the computer...the Swan goes into severe electromagnetic build up, far more than when Des was late pushing the button. I believe the island was reverting back to existing in real time(Purple Sky)...one thing I noticed was that at the dock where Ben, Jack and crew were at....at first when the sky and noise started to happen, Ben was the only one that didnt cover his ears at first, and had the look on his face that he knew exactly what was happening, like he has seen it before. I think maybe he thought the island was moving through time again, but actually it was getting "stuck" back into real time. By Des turning the Key and imploding the Swan, I believe it completely placed the island back in real time, maybe for good....also sending Des on his lil time traveling adventure from Catch 22?
I think the Swan imploding was what allowed the island to reappear in real time, and allowed it to be found by the freightor. Remember the 2 guys in the ice area? The Swan implosions energy was picked up by their scanners, revealing where the island was. What did they do after that, they called Penny to tell her....why would she be looking for the island in S2? Desmond told her in his incoherent mind frame back in the Constant in 96 from this season, rambling about an Island, which also gives you one time loop.....the Swan imploding started in motion the island being found....because Penny (and Faraday in someways) new about it back in 1996.
Its long i know, but its somethings that I observed last night from watching, which by the way, Locke and Eko, werent far away from Des at all when he turned the key....in Locke's case, atleast, what if time traveled like Des too, and we just havent seen it yet?
I like your train of thought. I wonder how you explain the time lag between things going back from the island to the boat if the island is now stuck in the present time?
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Quote from: abbadons soul on September 12, 2008, 03:16:57 PM
well i have a hunch, that we might be seeing the swan again, or quite possibly its creation....just a theory, but what if when Ben moved the island, it traveled back to Dharmas time and when the incident first occured???
omg that would be so freaking amazing! lol. i have such an infatuation with dharma... and marvin candle. hehe. that would make me so happy. lol.
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so if the icy wheel room predates dharma that would mean that the hostiles made it. or the hostiles ancestors
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Quote from: Bluben89 on September 13, 2008, 11:43:45 PM
so if the icy wheel room predates dharma that would mean that the hostiles made it. or the hostiles ancestors
if i was to guess who made the icy wheel room....id say it was whoever made the four toe statue......but I do think the original hostiles, or atleast Richard, is from the Black Rock, the clothes the hostiles wear are those of people that were once on a an old ship
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Im undecided on the date of the creation of the wheel. Im still struggling with how it does what it does. How is turning that wheel responsible for moving the island? One guess that I have is that it turns the magnetic poles so that north and south reverse.
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I agree for the most part that the wheel must go as far back as the hostiles, or at least Alpert. But as far as anything else, I'm not sure how I feel. I hope they decide to fill us in more really soon! lol.
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Quote from: just_a_fan on September 16, 2008, 01:09:34 AM
Im undecided on the date of the creation of the wheel. Im still struggling with how it does what it does. How is turning that wheel responsible for moving the island? One guess that I have is that it turns the magnetic poles so that north and south reverse.
Well theories do say, to time travel, you have to fold time and space onto itself, so reversing magnetic poles would cause negative electromagnetism.
I aslo thought of a silly way to explain the donkey wheel and the swan....think of a soda bottle, that is constantly being shakened.....well in the case of the swan, you occasionally open the cap to release some of the pressure that is being built up, but close it to keep the soda from overflowing......well with the orchid, and the wheel, the wheel is like the cap of the bottle and your opening it up all the way, the pressure releasing all the soda out of the bottle....
So turning the wheel was releasing all that negative energy that was being bottled up.....i dont know why i used a soda as an example, maybe im just thirsty ha ha
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good example. you always seem to have a way to make me understand your examples
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Quote from: Bluben89 on September 16, 2008, 05:15:37 PM
good example. you always seem to have a way to make me understand your examples
Thanks BB....I try to use the simplest examples for some of these far out theories lol
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simple examples for simple-minded people like me!
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September 17, 2008, 08:52:20 PM »
might have heard that one before at some point. i cant remember.
On topic = so basically you are saying my turning the wheel and releasing all of the EM energy, that caused the island to be moved through time / space?
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I did not say that but that is a plausable theroy
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